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So, Wakabayashi-san, today's guests are a little different from usual.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
I think it's the first time for these guests to come on our show.
Yeah, it's the first time for us to have this many guests.
Thank you for having us.
Please come in.
Thank you for having me.
Today's guests are former top athletes who served as commentators and casters.
Thank you for having me.
Tonight's guests are...
The first Asian to win three Olympic games in a row!
Judo world legend, Nomura Tadahiro!
One more point for Amitabha! Match point!
Table tennis world championship singles!
Ten wins in a row!
Tokyo Olympics gold medalist Jun Mizutani!
And...
J.League best eleven three times in a row!
His playing style is full of fighting spirit.
He played an important role as a defender.
Former soccer Japan representative, Tomoki Maki!
She played an important role as a defender.
And now...
Three more top athletes who serve as commentators and casters!
I don't interview is so cheeky!
Don't you think it's too much to say "I'm Pearl" to a referee or something like that?
What do you think about that?
Top athletes are getting excited!
It's not just about daily life.
I'm not saying it's only about daily life, but...
After retiring and winning for the first time, the commentators are also excited!
I want you to get naked.
Get naked? Who would do that?
Mizutani-san, you have a plan for getting naked, don't you?
Naked talk party!
Dance everywhere!
It starts tonight, too!
I can't believe it!
First of all, Nomura-san.
He hasn't been able to go back to Shido.
He's won gold medals in three Olympic Games in a row.
He hasn't been able to compete in a row.
Of course, but I've been working hard all the time.
He's been working hard all the time, but...
Sometimes you lose.
But you're definitely winning where you have to win.
You're definitely winning where you have to win.
Do you have a different way of winning big matches like physical and mental matches?
When it's important to win, you have to think about what you should do and how you should do it.
Athletes with achievements say, "I'll do my best, but I won't peak."
To be honest, you don't know what you're doing if you do this on the day of the tournament.
You can't win if you do this.
I can't sleep because I'm scared the day before the match.
Even in the third tournament, you can't sleep because you're scared.
I can only sleep for three hours.
I'm sorry, but I'm afraid the venue will collapse tomorrow.
I see.
I'm scared of the match even though I'm doing it for that day.
Don't you have important matches throughout the season?
I'm the exact opposite of what you said.
I can't help it because I want to do it.
No matter how big the stage is.
I think it's a festival.
I want to do it as soon as possible.
I can't help it because I want to do it with a strong opponent.
What kind of person is Mr. Mizutani before the match?
I may be a negative person like Mr. Nomura.
I don't want to play much.
Is that so?
I've been playing for 10 years.
I think I can win if I play.
I think you're a positive person like Mr. Makino.
I don't like it.
I know you don't like it.
I'm going to do it.
I'm jealous of you.
I think all the athletes who participate in the Olympics are mentally strong.
I want to retire without playing.
I don't want anyone to know the result.
But on the contrary, I think so, but I'm winning, so I'm strong.
It's strong, isn't it?
So I'm going to push it all the way, push it all the way, and I'm going to win it from a state of "what if it disappears"
It's amazing, this reversal mentality is amazing.
But the game time doesn't get closer and closer, does it?
Is it going to go somewhere?
Now it's 10 degrees and we're doing a full day of maintenance.
In fact, when we went to the weigh-in venue on the day of, there were a lot of rivals.
And everyone's losing weight, so their weight gain is as big as their pants.
But foreigners have such amazing bodies, and they look so strong.
"You guys all weigh in and fail," or something like that.
That's true, I think so, too.
I feel bad about it, and I'm scared of it, but at the end, the moment you go up on the tatami mat, or just before you go up on the tatami mat, you're going to win.
You're going to win.
After the first game is over, you have yourself a match on the day.
You know you can win in the first round.
And you think you're good, and between the first and second rounds of the game, you can sleep for about two hours.
You can sleep there?
At the venue?
That's pretty amazing!
But when I just joined the agency, there were three stages, part one, part two, and part three.
In between part one and part two, Mr. Hanawa and Mr. Akimoto Haraguchi went to bed and woke up just before their turn and went out and clapped.
It's cool!
It's a different level. It's the Olympics!
I'm embarrassed!
Mr. Haraguchi woke up just before his turn and went out and clapped his hands!
I can't go on with this show! It's the Olympics!
You look brighter than me now.
Mr. Mizutani, where do you switch on and off?
It was the same until I couldn't sleep.
From there, I thought he was a different person.
I couldn't sleep during the London Olympics and I couldn't sleep unless I drank alcohol.
I drank and slept, and the results were bad.
From there, I decided to quit.
Were you hanging out all night?
You couldn't sleep, could you?
I couldn't sleep for about a month during the camp.
I was so nervous.
When you have a good condition and not so good condition, you can tell when you have a career.
For example, the lightness of the body.
It's not about your mentality.
Sports is about your mentality.
That's right.
You feel like you're falling apart.
When you have a big match.
Do you train yourself to be better?
It's about experience.
If you have a lot of experience, you'll have a stronger mentality.
Do you have a mental trainer these days?
Do you have a mentor?
Yes, we do.
You're not a mental trainer who fights in the final stage of the Olympics.
You're a big band you don't know.
I think you're a rock trainer.
You don't know, do you?
I think you have a little bit of a junk in your heart.
It's true, it's on the school desk.
For example, Mr. McKinnon, it's positive, isn't it?
But in soccer, in 3-0, in the second half, there is about 10 minutes or 5 minutes left in your career, isn't it?
There is, there is.
Do you think you can win until the very end in such a case, Mr. McKinnon?
No, I think so.
Because I have that kind of experience.
Actually, all the time.
In fact, there was such a game, and I scored two points there and reversed the game.
I see.
The most important thing in soccer is that when you open it, it loosens the most.
So I really don't know until the last 5 or 10 minutes.
I don't know.
You don't know until you whistle.
I don't know until I whistle.
You will never give up.
I will never give up.
Wow, that's amazing.
Do you also want to go to the P.K. yourself?
I want to go.
Wow.
So, if I say judo this time, there was a rule, wasn't there?
Yes, there was.
If I was standing there with that rule, I would definitely think, "Come to me."
Wow.
Come to me.
So I asked Mr. Nomura, "What did you think of judo players at that time?"
So I don't think I like most of them.
I definitely don't like them.
Hahaha.
As expected of you, Mr. Nomura.
That's right.
Right?
Isn't there a time when you watch P.K. or Yohhon Yohhon?
Yes, there is.
Do you think it's okay for you to watch them in the end?
No, in fact, the most decided one is the fifth one, isn't it?
Yes.
Some people choose it, and the coach assigns it.
But I basically choose it myself.
Wow.
I'm the type of person who is told, "Calm down for now."
Hahaha.
No, it's not like that.
The atmosphere is different, isn't it?
Even if it's a free kick or P.K. in an important moment...
Please let me live.
Not at all.
Calm down for now.
And of course, I calm down.
I take a deep breath for once.
Hahaha.
What do you do when you make a mistake?
Do you fix it?
It also depends on the position.
I have to hold down the opponent's ace in front of the goal.
If I block it with one play, I'll get two or three points.
I have to finish it there.
Finish it.
Yes.
It's too dangerous.
I've been doing that training for a long time.
That's right.
I've been training mentally for a long time.
I see.
What kind of training does a mental trainer do?
That's what Ohtani Shouhei has been doing recently.
He has various goals and what he has to do for those goals.
But the way of doing and approaching it as a mental trainer is different.
I used to do self-defense to deceive my brain.
Do you talk to yourself?
That's right. I can deceive myself of what I can't do.
Anyway, I was told to take a deep breath.
When I saw it, athletes definitely take a deep breath.
Before a big game.
Before a PK, they definitely do it.
We do it. We do it.
Deep breathing is important.
If we slip, we should do it, too.
Like a summer vacation.
It's too late even if you do it after you slip.
Before slipping. Before something happens.
Before we talk about the episode.
The tempo is getting worse.
Wait a minute, Mr. Sama.
That's why I told you to take a deep breath.
He looks like he's going to slip.
It's also important to feel stronger than your opponent.
Self-defense is also important during the game.
Self-defense is very important.
Athletes do a lot of self-defense.
I think so, too.
Isn't table tennis very tense?
In a quiet place.
Even if I'm in a hot spring, I get nervous at match points.
When I want to decide and something gets tough.
It's very tense.
And it's a game that changes by 0. something millimeters.
If you hit a table tennis ball and hit the net, you apologize.
What do you apologize for?
It's manners.
I'm not a player.
It's a game.
Do you really think you're sorry?
No, I don't think so.
I think it's okay.
For example, even when you miss a service, you say "I'm sorry"
I can't believe you two say "I'm sorry"
What?
I don't think there's anyone who says "shut up" after scoring so many points.
It's a culture, isn't it?
I can't believe it's soccer.
Don't you deliberately say "it's foul" to the referee?
What's wrong with you?
It's a miracle.
It's not fair.
During the game, it's a sport you can't get out of your mind for 0.01 seconds, right?
Can't you concentrate from the beginning to the end of the game?
All the time.
When Simba says "wait" and returns to the starting line, I'll shake it once.
It's a series of aerobic exercise and aerobic exercise, so I'm concentrating all the time.
I don't look anywhere.
For example, I don't look at his eyes, arms, or legs.
It's a close distance, but I look at the whole thing.
That's amazing.
I told you about Mr. Tsunoda this time.
Mr. Tsunoda was good at throwing.
But you can throw a throw, can't you?
If you're good at throwing, you should be careful about throwing.
Why is that?
That's what I'm trying to explain.
I used to be a 52kg athlete.
Now I have a Japanese rival.
In the end, I dropped to 48kg.
I haven't dropped my weight that much.
After dropping my weight, I played in the World Championships three times in a row.
During those three games, I almost threw a throw.
I also threw a throw at the Olympics in Paris this time.
The stronger you get, the more you play in a row, the more variations of techniques you get.
Mr. Tsunoda has always been good at throwing.
Why do you always say "why"?
Please explain!
No, no, I thought you were going to tell me the answer.
I don't know. It's like we're in the wrong position.
Why do you always say "why"?
I see.
But it's about the level, isn't it?
That's right.
So, players who get thrown really watch the video and think about how to deal with it, but they get thrown.
That's right. So, of course, even in the same Tomoe throw, they have this way of entering and this way of entering, but...
Wow!
So, in her case, even if she fails at the Tomoe throw, she can connect it to the next arm joint technique, so...
So, from the Tomoe throw to the arm cross technique.
It's just this pattern, but there's a lot of variation.
A lot of variation.
You know, Mr. Nomura, like you just did,
people really ask me, "Why do you always say 'why' when you throw a Tomoe?"
I can't say "why", can I?
If it's an explanation...
I can't say "why" when I throw a Tsunoda.
If Mr. Nomura says that much, I can say that he's a great caster.
It's like you can see how great he is.
That's right.
Mr. Mizutani, when you explain, is there anything you can't answer?
After all, you've had a lot of experiences.
Now, as a commentator and a caster,
these three have been dragged to various places.
What is "苦悩" that wasn't known during the Geneki era?
There are times when the question itself is a little off-topic, like when a commentator asks for some kind of reinforcement when it's completely different.
But in those cases, I'm the type of person who puts them together.
I can't deny it. I can't say, "No, that's not it." I say, "That's a good play right now so you don't get hurt."
That's right. When a commentator asks you an off-topic question, you say, "No, that's not it."
The atmosphere is...
That's right. There are a lot of rumors and tackles that are quite difficult.
That's right.
For example, there's a rumor that you should say "chiquita" instead of "chiquita".
Yes, yes, that kind of thing.
There's a rule that you should say "chiquita" instead of "chiquita".
I know what you're talking about.
You've been talking about "chiquita" for a while now.
I think there are a lot of "chiquita"s out there.
That's why I remember it so well.
You say "chiquita" until it's completely different, but you have no choice but to say, "That was a good "chiquita"."
From our point of view, it's either "chiquita" or "chiquita".
We know for sure if it's "chiquita" or not.
But I think viewers will think it's "chiquita" if you say it.
That's why I say "chiquita" instead of "chiquita".
For example, if you say you don't know "chiquita" on social media,
don't you think "chiquita" knows it?
I think so.
There's a lot of "chiquita"s out there.
It's like you don't know "tackle".
It means "chiquita" knows it.
Then my fans will help me a lot.
Because they know it.
As Mizutani-san said earlier, "go together".
What I value in commentary is that we share opinions during commentary.
On the contrary.
Writers don't have answers.
There are opinions from the attacking and defensive sides.
And sometimes they clash.
This is what the back players think.
But this is what the front players think.
I give them various plans.
When Honda Keisuke and I do commentary, it can't be helped to quarrel.
I think like this. I think like this.
But I think it's irresistible for fans.
It's irresistible.
Wow, but this position looks like this.
It's a lot of fun to talk about sports like that.
When it comes to doing a commentator, there are many commentators for soccer, right?
It's a lot of fun.
It's a gap, or let's go with this kind of character.
When it comes to doing commentary, it's like Matsuki- san, but it's high-tensioned.
There are no commentators like that.
What do you think of that kind of commentator?
Certainly, there are commentators who comment every moment.
What I'm thinking about now is drinking alcohol in the living room together and being watched with the feeling of eating.
I'm doing that kind of commentary now.
I see.
It's not too difficult of an expert.
In addition, including content, if you are an ordinary person, you can say this kind of thing.
If you are a professional soccer channel, you can say it in a more elaborate way.
That's amazing.
Do you have a plan for a show like "Day-Day" where you work with a proper plan?
Yes, I do.
Do you do it properly?
Matsuki-san is dribbling vigorously.
I'm doing it properly.
What kind of stance do you think of?
What kind of stance does Matsuki-san have?
I'm wondering what you're doing in the horizontal line and what you're doing.
Really?
Then, look at the system.
That's right.
Like soccer, he's an official dribbler.
He's like this and Matsuki-san is like this.
Then, look at the movement of Matsuki-san.
That's right.
But I thought you were dribbling alone.
That's right.
I thought you were dribbling brightly.
I often dribble.
You only have a racket.
I often dribble.
I haven't talked much, so I'll shake it a little.
But soccer is useful, isn't it?
To be honest.
No, that's right.
So, there are many people behind the commentators of soccer.
I see.
There are many defenders or defenders who give instructions and move around.
So, there are many people behind the commentators of soccer.
That's right.
And there are many people who are forwards.
Matsuki is also behind.
Matsuki seems like a forward, but...
That's right.
But judo is eye-catching and you can't talk all the time.
In other sports, there are many things you want to say in a short time, don't you think?
So, judo is really difficult.
It's instantaneous and the rules change.
Basically, there are 100 techniques in judo.
There are 100 standing techniques and ground techniques.
Even if you have a technique you've never seen before, you have to apply it somewhere in the way you enter the technique or in the position you throw the opponent at the end.
The sense of applying it and understanding it are different.
You have to apply it instantaneously.
Even if you enter the technique in the same way, the name of the technique will change depending on whether you hold it here or here.
I don't know that at all, so I've been listening to various stories, but I don't explain it that much.
Mura-san, you don't know anything at all.
I don't know much about it.
In judo, there are times when you can't do anything about it.
You know what I mean, right?
There are times when you can't think of anything when you're watching.
You're thinking about what's going on, but you don't do anything about it.
You're like, "Hurry up and put it together!" or "Put it together and apply the technique!"
In those cases, it's different.
I ask the commentators, "Mura-san, what's going on right now?"
They say, "No, it can't be helped. I can't say it."
I can't say it.
What's wrong with that?
That's why I don't explain it much.
The easiest way for me to do it is to have a good commentary and an explanation.
It's best to put a guest explanation in there.
It's a little easier to move.
It's a little lower.
It's lower than I expected.
Lower the hurdle.
If you can say it with a high pinpoint, that's your role.
But what I know is that in the first round of world table tennis, there is too much difference in level.
There are times when you don't lose 100 million percent.
But there is a difference in level that I don't lose even if I do it with my right hand.
Isn't it difficult to explain with that?
Even if you don't lose 100 percent, you have to praise it.
The opponent has to be very strong or arrogant.
You can't say you'll win 100 million percent.
But you have to say it's good.
At that time, I'm lying and it's hard for me to talk.
It's better not to say it.
That's what I don't like about this match. There's too much difference in skills.
What about you, Makino san? What about matches with too much difference in skills?
We're playing the Asia Finals for sure, but there's definitely going to be something like 7-0 or something like that.
From the viewers' point of view, the game is already decided.
But you don't want them to change the channel, right?
You want them to write down all of the players' gossips in their heads.
What? Gossips?
Gossips?
You don't say "gossips," do you?
Like, "buy me a dog," or something like that.
You put that in there?
Like, "this is the dog's name," and "do you know this number from the name of the dog?"
You look up all of that.
Like, "is it Masuda Genta from Marathon?"
That's a pattern, right?
That's pretty interesting.
- There's that, right? - Yeah, it's interesting.
Makino san is the only commentator who hasn't changed his channel yet.
That's true.
We're the only two.
Wait, wait! Let me say this one more time!
Izutani san and Nomura san, please step back.
We'll commentate on this one.
It's hard to ask you this, but there's retirement, right?
How do you decide that kind of thing?
After a flourishing retirement age,
three top athletes have retired while being pushed back.
How did you decide to retire?
Do you think about it as you get older?
I had a really weak age to begin with,
but I've been thinking about it since college.
But I was like, "bang!" when I entered college.
Did you have a weak age, Nomura san?
I did judo since I was three,
but I lost to a girl in a city competition when I was in first grade.
I won my first prefecture competition in high school,
but I lost in the preliminary league in the summer of the national competition.
So I couldn't do it all over the country for the rest of my life.
It's a way of walking I haven't heard of much, isn't it?
So you didn't have that much of a feeling for judo in '15 or '16?
No, I didn't.
But I had some hope that I might be able to do it someday.
That's amazing. It's hard to say, but...
You're 15 years weak and you can't sleep at night. You're such a human being, aren't you?
It's rude to say you're weak, but...
But on the contrary, it's burning you up.
What changed suddenly when you were a college student?
First of all, my body was getting better and better.
I weighed only 30 kilos when I was in first grade of middle school.
I weighed only 45 kilos when I was a first-year high school student.
My body was getting better and better, and at that time, I didn't give up and improved my skills.
My body was getting better and better, and I was able to use my skills.
And then I met a teacher and my consciousness changed.
I got together and suddenly I went "bang"!
That's amazing. There are teachers like that.
It's hard for me to win the Olympics for three years.
People say I'm a genius and I don't know how to lose.
But I only knew how to lose.
I've been winning for many years.
I met him in 2004 and won the Olympics for three years.
For about ten years since then, I've been injured and out of shape.
I've experienced a lot of things.
I see. So you started thinking about losing weight because you got injured a lot?
That's how I felt.
If I hadn't been injured, I would have won four years in a row.
Where does that motivation come from?
You're usually satisfied with just one gold medal in the Olympics, aren't you?
Well, I was in my fourth year of college when I won my first gold medal, so I couldn't think of retiring.
But when I won my second gold medal...
Four years, right?
Everyone studies me, right?
The pleasure of beating all of them up and the fact that I'm the champion.
Mr. Nomura, if you know that much, why don't you know the explanation?
Isn't he a man who has experienced everything?
He knows how to fight and how to feel, but he doesn't know what he doesn't know.
You're honest.
How did you decide to retire from water sports?
When I retired, I had injuries and eye diseases.
I wanted to do it, but I didn't want to do it anymore.
You said you wanted to do it.
I wanted to do it, but when you know who you were in the past, more and more young athletes come out and you can compare them.
Middle school students don't know who they were in the past.
They see me getting weaker and weaker and say, "Why are you the Olympic representative?"
I've been told a lot of things like that, and it's frustrating.
I'm getting older and older and I don't think I can grow any more.
I think I'll quit while I'm still in a good mood.
There are people who comment and appear on TV, and there are people who go to their mentors.
How did you decide that?
In the table tennis world, everyone goes to their mentors.
When you're done, you don't have much work.
Either you teach or you make your own table tennis court.
In my case, I got a medal and a lot of people got to know me.
I was able to create a new path called TV.
I want to take advantage of my only chance.
I want to do it in a world that everyone doesn't know as much as possible.
I see.
Mr. Nishitani has been teased a lot since his active days.
I think it's human nature if you watch it a lot on TV.
I used to be a very strict person.
"Young people grow up fast" or "You're weak, so you can't win"
That's the worst!
During the world table tennis team match, when the coach said "Okay, it's your turn next", I said "No"
"You're weak, so I don't want you to play", it was such a terrible meaning that I could say it normally.
It's terrible, isn't it?
I was really stoic and serious, and I reflected on it.
There are many people who say that it hurts.
Well, it's a sport, so maybe with that kind of feeling...
That's right, you should keep it to yourself.
You don't have to say it out loud.
I'm probably stoic.
Where did it change?
Honda Keisuke-san and Ichiro-san.
They're called "legends", and so is Nobunaga-san.
I thought I couldn't be like them.
I felt like I couldn't compete with them.
No, you can't.
I felt like I couldn't compete with them.
So, I decided to go with a different route, and in 2021,
in an easy-to-get-acquaintance athlete ranking,
I beat Ohtani Shouhei-san and became first place.
That's such a terrible thing!
I hated it!
It didn't end until Geniki-senshi was concerned about that ranking!
Ohtani-san was definitely first place,
but I was the only one who won first place and Ohtani- san was second place.
Shouhei was first place.
It's been a while.
Ohtani-san used to be a bit sharp-tongued, right?
It's complicated...
Even so, you have a big angle for your character.
It's 180 degrees.
I didn't know about that past.
It might come out someday, right? That kind of dark part.
That's why I'm only conscious of not saying it out loud.
You're holding it back.
I want to do it, but I don't want to see it.
That's attractive, again!
How did you, Makino-san, decide to move on to your next career?
I decided not to do it because of bad seniors.
Bad seniors?
I've been doing it for a long time and I saw what I should do next.
I knew what I wanted to do.
What do you want to do?
I want to be a director.
Oh, a director!
I wanted to be a director.
You wanted to do it already.
That's why you decided to do it.
Yes.
There are no young directors in the soccer world now.
When I look back, there are only young directors in their 30s in Europe.
There is no Japanese soccer at all.
I thought I should go back to playing soccer when I was young, but I didn't do it.
So you didn't do it because you didn't want to be a director, but because you wanted to be a director.
That's right.
Of course, it's the same for physical strength.
Of course, you can't play like you used to.
But I decided to do it right away and go to the next stage rather than doing it for two or three years.
So you wanted to be a director.
You're not on "DAY-DAY" right now.
How did you decide that?
Why are you talking about "DAY-DAY" like that?
Because you watch it a lot.
Thank you.
It takes a lot of time and money to get a soccer license.
I didn't quit because I wanted to be a director.
I've been preparing for it since my early 20s.
I've been getting licenses that I can get while I'm playing.
Even if you say you want to retire and become a director, it will take you 10 years.
It's tough.
When I thought I wanted to go back to my 30s at the latest, I retired at 35.
If I don't retire now, I won't be able to go back to my 30s.
So of course, I work on TV, and when I'm done with TV work, I have a team of my own and spend my time getting licenses.
It's not just about the day.
I'm not saying it's just about the day.
Are you having fun with your talent now?
It's a lot of fun.
If you had an offer, would you like to keep doing it?
Oh, but I'll choose my job.
Of course, that goal is to become a director.
I don't want to be a teacher when I become a director.
I see.
You don't want to do too much in front of people.
That's right.
Persuasion.
It's a little funny.
That's right.
I'm number one in bread and I'm doing it in front of the TV.
Even if I become a director and tell you to run, you won't listen.
It's easy to get close.
That's right.
It's easy to get close, but...
In the future, when I become a director,
I don't want you to show me your embarrassing videos from years ago.
That's right.
I'm about to be kicked out of the company.
I won the championship and now I want to see this.
I like TV because I like it.
But of course, I'll do whatever you want me to do.
I have something I'd like to ask you.
There's a variety of ways of talking about sports from a distance, right?
Is there a job like this that's a little troublesome for you?
Do you use your body?
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Running and stuff like that.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
This year and next year, I'll have to do about two more surgeries.
My whole body is a mess.
Do you all use your bodies a little?
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Like escaping from somewhere or playing tag?
I agree! I agree!
Isn't Mizutani-san in a lot of those games?
Yes, he is. He let me play a lot of them.
It's easier for me to get used to the image, so there are a lot of scripts and content that I have to tweak.
But as a gold medalist, there are parts that I have to show off.
So I always have to adjust the balance of those parts.
As a gold medalist?
Yes.
You can't do that!
Is there anything you can say about it?
Basically, I don't have anything I can't say about it.
But I want him to get naked.
Get naked?
Yes, yes, yes!
Who is that?!
Mizutani-san is planning to get naked!
Don't let him get naked!
From the general public's perspective, I think we are training our bodies.
That's right.
I think we are training our bodies.
However, since we are in good shape, we don't like it.
There are a lot of scenes where I take a bath.
I take a bath from the moment I use it.
I see!
You are an actress!
If a normal interviewer says, "It won't end like this,"
An announcer says, "I don't know," and the announcer says...
There aren't many medalists.
So...
Look, look, look, bad things are coming out!
Ready, set...
As broadcasters, they carry their feet to the scene.
Isn't it hard?
An interview after losing.
I can ask tough questions because it's me.
When I was doing judo at the Tokyo Olympics,
it wasn't commentary, but I was doing an interview in the mix zone.
A player comes in the mix zone.
And the player turns around and talks.
And when I talk, I'm an interviewer and a senior in the judo world.
Even if I talk like I'm doing my job,
even if I talk like I'm doing my job,
because the camera is shooting from this side,
people don't know I'm doing an interview.
And a lot of people say, "Your interview is so cheeky."
Of course you can't match up with the interviewer.
I can match up with him.
But I'm frustrated.
I've seen a lot of players, and I know.
But it won't end like this.
If an ordinary interviewer said, "It won't end like this,"
An announcer would say, "I don't know about the announcer, but it's really rude."
But I've seen it.
There are a lot of interviews between former players.
I say, "It's okay."
Who is it?
Oh, it's him.
Sometimes I think and calm down.
The distance is close.
On the first day of the interview, I was scolded a lot for that.
That's right.
It's hard.
I was scolded.
From the next day, I'll tell the cameraman, "Point me out first."
That's right.
That's how it's going to be.
You're going to believe it.
It's this distance because it's Nomura.
You're going to explain it now.
When you were active and saw it on TV,
Have you ever thought, "This explanation is completely different"?
What is he talking about?
I've never thought it was completely different.
In the first place, I'm the first male medalist in the Olympics.
There are many other people who are not so good at it.
There aren't many medalists.
That's why...
See? He's coming out of the wrong place.
He's coming out of the wrong place.
That's what I think.
Table tennis is a psychological game.
I'm going to give you a service here.
I want to think like that.
It's completely different.
It's the opposite.
It doesn't work at all.
Then I'll do it.
If someone else does it, I'll be a little anxious.
What is your best comment so far?
In 2022 Qatar World Cup, I was watching Mitoma's one millimeter there.
He was the first person in the world to say that it didn't come out.
Wow!
That one millimeter didn't come out!
It didn't come out, did it?
That was a long time, wasn't it?
At that time, I was explaining the pitch and playing here and watching.
Honda said, "Maki, how is it?"
It didn't come out.
I gave up very late.
So it's not just Mitoma's one millimeter, but Maki's one millimeter.
Maki's one millimeter!
It's completely different!
It's worth it!
That's about it.
You can see it right away.
It's about the same as Mitoma.
Olympic athletes also watch teams that seem to get along well with each other, right?
Even in other sports.
Do you talk a lot?
Now, the national training center is a place where various sports players gather.
There is also social media.
Various interactions are born.
That's why we get along well.
That wasn't the case 20 years ago.
Judo only gathers judo players.
There are a lot of medalists in judo.
There wasn't any other player talking to me.
I didn't get a medal at the beginning of the Olympics.
There is something like a medalist mount.
Oh, is that so?
Even in the same Olympics.
Like you and him.
That's very humiliating, isn't it?
I'm really embarrassed in front of Nomura-san.
Did you lose that after you got the medal?
I don't like that mount, so I want to make it easier for me to get along with it.
I'm embarrassed.
I'm embarrassed, so other athletes...
But if a lot of kids of completely different sports come out in front of you, you don't think, "Isn't he a little too much?"
- You don't, do you? - I don't, but...
For example, from the Tokyo Olympics to urban sports, such as skateboarding and various sports...
Those athletes are about 15 years old or so, right?
And of course, the values are different, right?
When I casted for the Tokyo Olympics...
After all, there wasn't such a timing, but...
When I went for the interview, there were about middle school students, right? Athletes.
If you asked me, "What do you think?"
I don't know how I'd respond.
- The bottom, right? - Yeah.
- That's true. - That's true.
- You're angry, so you don't respond. - That's true.
- I'm also flattered by good women. - Yeah, yeah.
But, you know...
Super first-class MCs tend to keep their distance from sports and such...
I think they're getting excited at a higher level than me.
If you don't think you're on my show or something...
You don't know you can't get to that zone.
Makino-san, what kind of mentality should I have when I do this?
- There's something like that. - You're getting excited.
But, from an athlete's perspective...
- It's definitely better for the MCs to come to me. - Ah, I see.
- That's definitely the case. - Yeah.
Because I'm the easiest person to get close to...
First of all, as a practice table...
As an experiment table...
As an experiment...
- It also depends on the personality of the entertainer, right? - That's right.
- Like, Sanma-san or Hamada-san... - Yeah, Hamada-san.
I know a lot about sports...
Even if I get teased a little...
I can laugh about it.
So, Nomura-san, you're saying it's not good for anyone?
It's not good for anyone?
N-Nomura-san...
Nomura-san...
It's not good for Onori.
It's still early.
It's still early, isn't it?
That's the answer.
But, I'm glad. My judgment wasn't wrong.
Onori
- Hello. - Hello.
- Welcome.
I just do it. I'm tired of it.
- I'm sleepy. - You're tired of using your brain, aren't you?
- No, that's too much for me. - Are you playing with your brain?
- At once, the top of my stomach was weak. - Is it too much? I'm really bad at manzai these days.
- Non-style stomach, Ishida confesses! - Somehow I could see the ceiling. - This is absolutely red! - What about the ceiling of the stomach that you could see?
- We were about to fit in! - Really! - One explosion of Zen's speech! - It's not good for you two to be in the same room. - Torio is also a brain! - Are you going to say something to the brains? - "Achikochi Odorii" is on TVER UNIX!